okay this scene this is my favourite in the whole movie wow okay ~feelings~
this scene, the happy scene
EVERYTHING ABOUT IT OKAY
When Eduardo comes in and he looks kind of lost and confused but then he’s smiling and Dustin calls over to him straight away and then Mark goes over to him and he’s smiling and he explains everything and Eduardo gets that look on his face likes he’s overwhelmed by how smart Mark is and that he’s so proud of him and happy he knows him (and in love with him)
AND THEN when Mark makes the crack about the chicken, he instantly realises what he said (he doesn’t have to look at Eduardo, Eduardo doesn’t have to say anything) and he winces and says, “That was mean.” Which isn’t an apology, but dammit, it’s so close to one. Mark has trouble understanding the way he affects other people — like with the farm animals, it was always “what I did must have been wrong because everyone is mad at me” — but here he says “that was mean”, he acknowledges the wrong at the root of the thing
and then Wardo gives him the money and he trusts him so completely and everyone wants a piece of facebook but Eduardo jumps on the train for Mark (though Mark doesn’t see the difference). And Mark takes the money because he thinks that means Wardo understands him (which to Mark means understanding facebook, which Eduardo doesn’t, not really, he understands Mark but he doesn’t quite grasp facebook e.g. the ads and stuff)
AND THEN WHEN MARK’S ACROSS THE ROOM AND THEY JUST SMILE AT EACH OTHER and that’s the happiest Mark is the whole time, because he has Eduardo and he has facebook. And the reason this scene hurts so much is because the pain of their relationship disintegrating would be so much less if we never saw them when they were happy, when they loved each other and it seemed like that could be enough, but that’s what we see in this scene. We see them happy, and it hurts because we know they’ll be sad later.
Again, with the common mistake of only comparing the top four letters. Yes, Mr Zuckerberg is creative, he is an introvert and he is a thinker, but skimming over these traits does not determine what type he is. An ESFP can appear to be very intuitively creative because of their Extroverted Sensing (Se) and Extroverted Thinking (Te) and they don’t even need an ‘N’ in their label to decide! We must focus on the functions.
With the INTJ as a lead Introverted iNtuitive, they are very structured and detailed orientated. An INTP can also be keen on details, thanks to their Introverted Thinking and Introverted Sensing, they are regarded to be the most analytical thinkers of all types, but yet their iNtuition is Extroverted, this would imply bursts of creativity and spontaneity.
Over time, opposite functions can be learned and masked quite well, seeing as MBTI exist to help us see our weakness and strengths. However, there are certain things that you cannot hide about your cognitive processing.
Introverted Thinking (Ti)
Watch this video of Mark Zuckerberg.
Now watch how he talks.
Can you see how he pauses every few seconds? That is the biggest give away for an Introverted Thinker. He gathers information in his head, forming the answer before he expresses it. Whereas for an Extroverted Thinker would likely to keep talking, actively processing his thoughts out loud and may fumble over his words as he speaks.
Extroverted iNtuition (Ne)
As for his iNtuition, start to look into his approach to business. How did he start Facebook (besides the well-known controversy of his theft on the Winklevoss twins as it isn’t important)?
For one, he seized on the idea relatively quickly and was very cautious how and where the project would progress. He wasn’t interested in investments, turning down offers to buy the company and looking for the long-term savings. Instead, he continued to build on ideas to improve the company. ‘Hey! I just realised - college kids are only interested in sex! Let’s put in a relationship status on this website!’ ‘Hey! I’ve just got dumped by my girlfriend so I’ll just whip up a site comparing the hotness of two girls with one another!’ ‘Hey! Let’s spontaneously blog about what I’m thinking on Livejournal!’
All these traits are screaming Extroverted iNtution; fast improvisation, impulsiveness, live for the moment and get immediate results. An INTJ, on the other hand, with their strong Introverted iNtuition are likely to do what Eduardo Saverin did; planning and investing for the future vision.
Introverted Sensing (Si)
An introverted sensor is interested and meticulous about detail. They are usually more involved in their own influence and knowledge, taking little interest about the current environment around them. This is why INTPs are usually considered to be outwardly ‘strange’, often they are cut off from the world and appear oblivious to certain things Extroverted Sensors are used to.
One big give away? Mark Zuckerberg’s dress code.
If there was one quirky thing people would notice about Zuckerberg’s appearance, it would be his love for the same set of clothes. He is often seen with a hoodie, a dark t-shirt accompanied by jeans and the same goddamn sandals.
He doesn’t care about his appearance, he doesn’t get in tune with the latest fashion! This is because his Introverted Sensing is his tertiary function. Extroverted Sensors are more likely to go to the gym, take on physically demanding activities from time to time and groom themselves to look presentable (although not a strong priority as Se is their least developed function). But Zuckerberg? What did he do? Mostly stay indoors at his computer hacking away with his buzzing Ti Ne Si, he hasn’t the interest or time to play jock.
Extroverted Feeling (Fe)
Take into account Mr Zuckerberg’s expressions.
Bam, you see it? His expressions are very animated. His whole face moves as he expresses his emotions, this gives away his Extroverted Feeling. Of course, for INTPs, Fe is their weakest function, so it can be uncertain at times whether or not they are Fi or Fe. But being the least developed function, Feelings tend to be a brief uncontrolled explosion. INTPs are usually those nerds in the classroom who may be quiet at one point, then suddenly burst out an answer to their favourite topic and start jumping around in their seat.
INTJs, being Introverted Feelers, are more prone to look serious. They don’t express themselves as easily and as explosively as Fe and they often have that deep analysing look. This does not mean, however, that they are less of a feeler. They are just more reserved about their emotions.
So Eduardo has this thing about forcing eye contact. He does it a couple times throughout the movie, almost always as a sign of dominance or aggression. (Think, ‘Mark, look at me.’) The third gif is one of the few times they make mutual eye contact in a happy context.
At first, I thought that was really adorable, and I still kind of do, but … yeah, Wardo’s still forcing eye contact here. He’s just doing it more subtly than usual. You can see him staring at Mark, waiting nerveously for recognition, probably because he wants this to be a moment.
As for Mark, I firmly believe that Mark wants Eduardo’s approval more than he lets on. So he meets Eduardo’s eyes, then but breaks contact the moment Eduardo looks away.
I’m not certain whether to read this as another miscommunication, or as a rare moment where the boys recognize one another’s social needs, then reciprocate without unduly compromising their own.
Oh, I like that. I think it also might be that Eduardo is accustomed to normal social cues, and shared eye contact is part of that. But Mark has many issues with eye contact, so Eduardo keeps expecting to share a moment, but Mark isn’t really like that. I like to imagine it’s something Eduardo eventually became accustomed to, because he looks at Mark with a great deal of affection when Mark isn’t looking back rather than with annoyance.
Another thing I’ve always thought is that it’s another layer of Eduardo’s need to be important, to be listened to. I watch a two-year-old, and when I have to reprimand her, I try to get her to maintain eye contact in a similar way to what Eduardo did in the dorm scene. When you’re speaking to someone who is looking elsewhere, for whatever reason (I’ve had problems with eye contact myself, so I know there are many), it makes you feel ignored. I think Eduardo can usually put that aside because he has a lot of admiration for Mark’s mind and how busy it is, and Mark’s quirks illustrate that well, but there are times when he needs to know he’s being heard.
It’s funny, though, because if you watch the last gif, Eduardo breaks eye contact almost the second Mark makes it, and it looks like he laughs a little. I think it says a great deal about how suited he is to someone like Mark that he knows not to push it. For the most part, he seems perfectly content to watch Mark without expecting reciprocation. Maybe it’s even nice for him to know he can look at Mark without schooling his expression because Mark won’t normally be looking back.
What do you think would’ve happened if Wardo would’ve actually been there when Mark says ‘and he was also my best friend.’?
it would be too late. it ceased to matter as soon as mark diluted his shares. what kind of best friend would have done that? how could mark hurt him like that? if he’d been sitting in that chair, he would have reacted with scepticism at best, outright derision at worst. except after, maybe he’d think about it for a little while and bury his face in a pillow because it hurts. it just makes it worse. where did eduardo go wrong? when he came to eduardo and asked for the money and he gave it they were best friends. the summer comes and goes and suddenly he’s as good as nothing.
nm just obsessing over a particular phrase from the tsn screenplay literally apropos of nothing
but like guys seriously what the fuck
it’s the perfect encapsulation of mark???? like he may be a shitty little guy and he’s tiny and fragile and impotent in so many particular ways but at the end of the day you can’t deny that this is not someone you want to fuck with for all these really intense, deep-seated social reasons
like the things that make him tiny and impotent combined with his ruthless intellect are the same things that ultimately empower him to be this unstoppable, solitary power in the world??
and you’d never know it to look at him or even mostly to know him because it’s always just simmering under the surface, and he’s constantly underestimated even by people who think they think the absolute best of him (cough eduardo hi) and that only feeds it and makes him turn in on it more
VICIOUS FUCKING CYCLE MAN
i feel like mark’s story in a lot of ways is about him learning to harness his ~complicated and dangerous anger and then finishing harnessing it and turning around and finding out that it’s left him all by himself wahhh
#okay fuck off #with your ‘but so what’ #because he says yeah it’s a diversity thing #but then he says so what #because it doesnt matter to him if it is #eduardo deserves something like the phoenix #and he’s saying so what #because they can be better than the phoenix #facebook is going to be everything #and all eduardo hears #is that he’s not good enough #because that’s all he’s ever been told #but not by mark #never by mark #and thats what gets me #that eduardo’s basis for relationships #is his father #and just no #because mark is so much better #loves eduardo so much better #but eduardo doesn’t believe it #because he doesnt know how #and mark just wants him to see #the heartbreak network
It’s probably a bit pretentious to address this, but when I made this, I made the last line with the thought in mind that Mark was lying to himself. I think it’s important for Mark at this time in his life to tell himself that he made the right decision, that he was justified, and that he came out on top. Because I think he made the decision to dilute Eduardo out of the company when he was angry, but he convinced himself it was an objective decision. In retrospect, it wasn’t at all, but if he let himself acknowledge that, I think he’d had to fully come to terms with the decision he made, and I doubt he’s ready to do that right after Eduardo storms out.
But I also think he’d cling to that line of thought for a while because, well, he did come out on top. Facebook was successful. And I always thought that that was the thing that Mark would hold tight to. He did what was best for Facebook. It doesn’t matter what happened with Eduardo, because it was best for Facebook. It doesn’t matter how underhanded a decision it was; it was best for Facebook. Facebook is the one thing he ultimately ends up with, after Eduardo, Sean, and Erica are gone, so if he admits he made a mistake regarding Facebook, then he’d just be admitting he failed. And I don’t think Mark likes to acknowledge that he’s fallible.
But I think eventually they’d have to come to a… I guess softer version of this. Mark would have to acknowledge that the way he booted Eduardo from the company was not okay. It was not okay as a business decision, and it was a fucked up thing to do to a friend. It wasn’t an objective decision. It was a betrayal on a couple levels. But he would still have removed Eduardo from the company, I think, if he could do it again. I think it retrospect, the fact that Eduardo and Mark didn’t want the same things out of Facebook is clear, and I don’t side with one approach over the other, but I don’t think they were compatible as business partners. And I think Mark knows that.
So, yeah, I do see this line as pre-reconciliation or a failed first attempt to reconnect. Mark is still lying to himself here. But I think eventually aspects of it would have to work its way into a successful attempt.
As much as I like the final cut of this scene, it’s kind of a shame this exchange didn’t make it in in this form. Because it’s pretty much everything about them in a nut shell. It’s a good demonstration of their dynamic and their personalities both. Eduardo kind of awkwardly comforting but not coddling; Mark halfway shutting him down but still acknowledging he was right in a roundabout way; Mark saying he shouldn’t have said something because everyone’s mad at him now, not because it was wrong, and saying it about the complete wrong thing. I would’ve liked to have seen that all on screen, most specifically because I’m interested in how that “It’s okay. You’re fine” line would’ve been read.